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False Doctrines

Contents:
- Foundation - What the Scripture says about reprobate minds, delusions, lusts, men that love darkness.
- Reprobate Minds - Correspondence which reveals false doctrinal delusions.
- Considerations - More Scriptures to consider in weighing Truth over deception, Light over darkness.

For there shall arise false Christ's, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24

Foundation

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and establish you in every good word and work. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-17

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless. And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him has written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness. But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen. 2 Peter 3:11-18

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:16-32

Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. John 3:11-21

Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as does a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are his. And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity. But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and some to dishonor. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strife's. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will. This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. 2 Timothy 2:15-2 Timothy 3:9

Reprobate Minds

Provided here are quotes from correspondence to EarsToHear.net to make known the "arguments" and viewpoints of those who believe the Laws of the Old Testament are no longer valid, or suspected, to justify lusts of reprobate minds.

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Saw your email on the SBCHEA Christian college site, talking about veiws such as how gay issues should not be taught to Christian children, so as Ive got a few gay Christian friends who show me the pro gay theology, Im now interested in the anti gay theology to see what I can learn. Do you think same sex romantic love is also a sin? And if so, where are we told
this in the bible?

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Yes, I believe same-sex relationships are a sin just as ANY out of wedlock (man and woman) relationships are sin. However, I am more disturbed that same-sex relationships are being taught to children with little or no mention of the
consequence AND in direct opposition of how faith-based parents are raising their children. See the pages below which address these concerns and why marriage between one man and one woman was important to God, as the Scriptures begin and end with a marriage. Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. Hebrews 13:4

http://www.earstohear.net/Separation/Romans1.html

http://www.earstohear.net/Separation/facts.html
http://www.earstohear.net/Separation/sodomy.html
http://www.earstohear.net/Kingdom/marriage.html

Hope this helps. Any further clarification needed let me know.

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But what are the consiquences of same sex romantic love? God blessed David and Jonathans same sex love and in hebrew their love is 'ahab which can mean a sexual love! Heterosexuals are also prone to some pretty nasty things too, HIV is a bigger factor in heterosexuals now, and heterosexual marrage is now over 50% ending in divorse, most rapes are caused by heterosexuals and abortions are caused by a hetero act. Yet we always jump on gays for bad things and forget how heterosexuality CAN be as bad and unhealthy. Children need to know that its OK to be gay as otherwise gay youths are bullied, teased and hated....Ive seen this in Christian schools, its not nice.

But if we allow same sex marrages then thats OK then, don't forget, we are never given a definition on what marrage is or was, in the old testiment marrage can mean 1 man and many wives, we are never told if 2 men or 2 women can marry or not and indeed God blessed David and Jonathans same sex love in 1 and 2 samual....so whys it not OK and what consiquences are there in same sex love that heterosexuals don't have?

A lot of these sites use faked documentation, heterosexuals are now at higher risk from HIV as many belive they are safe, heterosexuals are also more prone to STDs if they think they are safe and so why many use sodomy top make a case Ive no idea, as all sex without protection can be dangerous, its just its a lot easier to condemn gay people for what heterosexuals also do.

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Wow. Do you actually believe God's design included same-sex relationships? So when Jesus referred to the Old Testament Scripture concerning the definition of marriage He made a mistake?

The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He said unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoso marries her which is put away doth commit adultery. His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. Matthew 19:3-12 (Genesis 2:21-25)

Exactly where in 1 or 2 Samuel did Jonathan and David have sex? Or is it presumed? You forgot to mention the other attempt by homosexuals to use Ruth and Naomi as lesbians..... Due to some recent questions, including your, I've updated the following page. http://www.earstohear.net/Separation/ChristianResponseToGayMarriage.html

The Bible begins with a marriage and the Bible ends with a marriage in Revelation. "This is a great mystery...

Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled; but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. Hebrews 13:4

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To begin, we are not told that Adam n Eve were a marrage clearly, who were the best men and bridesmaid? Also we are never given a nice clear definition of what marrage is or was. I the old testiment marrage could mean 1 man and many wives and God did bless David and Jonathans ove, as for dd they have sex, sex does not determin who you are! Dose a heterosexual become straight when they have sex?! But in old hebrew their love is 'ahab which can mean a sexual love but so what sex does not make you who you are unless YOU are ocesses by sex?

Do I belive that Gods desghn also incliuded same sex relationships? I saying by the evdence we have gay are born gay not made gay, and therefore we can assume God makes gay people and therefore its not up to you or I to assume whats not in the bible anyway.....e are never told tat same sex love is a sin or wrong. We are never told i sexual orientationis a sin or if sae sex unions are wrong but dispite all the silence I assume you assume they are all wrong? Why? Can I say all with red hair are in sin, after all the bible is silent on these people as well!

Actaully your foundation is on your PERSONAL understanding of scipture, whereas mine is JUST the word of God in the way he ministers to me. I don't interptite the bible and what I assume it says. Thats why and how you get your veiws. Interpritation. Its easy to do. We all try and do it as well, depending on groups of people we don't really like. Sadly this is why the word of God has been used to justify all manners of hate, like sexism, racism and homophobia. They are all forms of hate, and all have been used by the bible, as a wepon, rather than the book of love and freedom its ment to be. You defend marrage without knowing what it is!

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Well I completely disagree with all your "interpretations" which are based entirely on the wisdom and intellect of man.

Not in the Bible? And you have made Christ out to be a liar in Matthew, for He quoted this verse. Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Leviticus 18:22, 20:13 You shall not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is an abomination. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

There is NO evidence people are born gay.

1. Are you serious about TRUTH? Yes or no?

3. Did you read everything, and I mean everything, I provided? Yes or no?

3. Do you believe it was Holy Spirit who inspired the writers of Scripture? Yes or No?

If no, our conversation ends. If yes, depending on your acceptance or rejection of the following Scriptures we might be able to continue.

4. Why after 3 years did Jesus tell His disciples that they could not bear all He had to tell them until they received the Holy Spirit? (John 16:12-13)

1 Corinthians 2:6-16 - Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

5. So do you still think man can "interpret" the Scriptures correctly without the Holy Spirit? Yes or no?

6. Does your "personal understanding" come by way of man's wisdom or by the Holy Spirit? Can the "natural man discern the things of God?" Or do you discount what Paul wrote? Yes or no?

7. How is it one can "have the mind of Christ" without the Holy Spirit?

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Of course Im serious, are you not? I was trying to show you the folly of mans wisdom in saying Adam n Eve were a marrage as we know it. Its silly. You can add me to your spam list if you want to also, but that will only show me you don't need the truth.....genesis talks of 1 man and 1 woman, because THATS ALL THERE WAS! God would look rather silly to talk in any other terms when all he had made was 1 man and 1 woman....its common sence really and proves nothing because genesis says nothing against homosexuality issues anyway. Simple as that. Imagine we only had the genesis account as the bible, you can't condemn gay people on no mention of them at all here!

Am I serious about the truth, yes...are you though? You do list old law at me as if to prove something when for Christians, the old law is gone, so why use it? It died with Jesus on the cross, levitical law...is gone. But anyway, what did it say origionally? It said for a man to lie with mankind as with womankind in to'evah was the sin and this hebrew word is idolotry. So the old law only condemned MALE gay sex (not lesbianism note!) in fake cults which we know did happen 4000 years ago, oh and if no one is born gay, no one is born heterosexual, so when did you decide to be a heterosexual then?

Of course I belive it is the holy spirit who inspired the bible writers to write the bible books and the reason Jesus said to his deciples they could not understand the bible without the holy spirit is because WE can not grasp the bible without the holy spirit eather......trouble is there isn't just the holy spirit at work spiritually and the enemy can darken our minds and thoughts so we can get BAD interpritations of Gods word as well. One of us has the decit of the enemy!

You've met your match here as I can answer anything you throw at me, not in my own power sadly, but the power of the spirit. One can test the spirit they have to read scripture and mine is easily tested by how I can and will be able to answer ANYTHING you throw at me, trick is....can you and your spirit? Unlike you I won't add you to my spam list because A thats not what a Christian does, and B it admits defeat. I do not interprite the bible, the spirit does it all for me under prayer and my own personal worship of Christ through to God with the holy spirit. ALL my veiws are 100% biblical and I can and will answer all you ask. If I fail to answer something...don't condemn me, ask again. I may have missed a point, not ignored it!

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I apolgize if you are serious. Your viewpoints are off the wall to me, and I've run into some who just joke about truth, using your same points. I think we both have very different and opposing views on how Scripture was written.

You must also have a problem with Jesus when He says: Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-18 - Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and
earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

It was God who joined Adam and Eve, as it was God who created woman (Eve) from man (Adam) for a "helpmeet" for Adam. Yet you choose to believe this wasn't a marriage even though Scripturs says: Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Then what is a wife?

What is marriage as "we know it?" Can I marry an animal? What exactly is your definition?

Is 1 Corinthians 7 and Ephesians 5 not valid as well?

There is no mention of man and man or woman and woman because that is not God's design.

The only times this abomination is mentioned is when it was related to sin, in Leviticus, Genesis 18 & 19, Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6:19-10, 2 Peter 2:6-10. But you try to explain these Scriptures away on false premises.

About being born gay or heterosexual, this is where I think you are having fun with me. God's design: Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-11 - And now you know what withholds that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity does already work: only he who now lets will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Oh Ive no issue with Jesus at all! Quite the opposite. Look at what he said again, he said the law would stand till what he had come to do was fulfilled, well...did you miss it? He died on the cross, what he came to do is now fulfilled so the law has gone, you have no need to worry about the law anymore.....Christians live in the new covinant.....we are set free.

Christ brought you freedom....do you not want it? And if not.....do you still follow the whole old law? Because you can't, it was written for ancient jews who had no Massiah...we do.....so forget the old law and look to the new.

What is my definition of marrage? We don't have one. The bible doesn't say. In the old testiment marrage ment 1 man and many wives! The reason genesis talks of 1 man and 1 woman is thats all there was. We simply are not given ONE definition of marrage. But no we can safly say its not OK for a man to marry an animal as an animal can not consent to sex, so its rape. Marrage HAS to be between humans! But while there are texts about heterosexual marrage.....so what? None of these texts say 2 men or 2 women can not also have a union....so you can't condemn something on a silence.

Wh list romans 1 and 1 cor 6 as evidence same sex romantic love is a sin as again neither condemns same sex love in any form, in romans, Paul only condemns same sex lust and passions and same sex acts in idolotry, possibly by heterosexuals, hence the unatural. In 1 cor 6...only modern bibles list homosexuality in as ancient greek had no word for homosexual in fact, no one did as the word was created in 1869...so modern scholars slipped it in...they added to Gods word! Thats a serious sin indeed! And many people belive the lie.

Reg; 2 thess 2;6-11, what if this describes thoes who uphold the homophobic understanding of the word? What if this is a warning for thoes who add sins and interprite the word of God? You agree same sex unions are silent in Gods word so they are wrong...so are cats wrong? Should we destroy all cats....because they too are not mentioned in the bible, its silent on them too. What about red-heads, are they evil as they are not mentioned in the bible eather.....but this is silly.....why is it though? I use the same argument you use on gay marrage.

Im not having fun with you, Im worried for you. You say no one is brn gay, dispite a lot of evidence....so why can't I say no one is therefore born heterosexual? You must have chosen to be straight!

Im also fasinated as to why you list genesis 19....it has no relivence to homosexuality, its a modern myth sadly. It wasn't till the 1300s or so when we assumed God destroyed Sodom for a gay sin.....looking at the WHOLE bible it has nothing to do with any gay sin at all.....

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I think we're done because this debate will go on forever as I believe you have twisted Scripture so much that we'll never have common ground on this
issue.

Just one example: You believe that what Paul says about going "against nature" has nothing to do with the gay lifestyle. You could never convince me otherwise.

2 Peter 3:13-16

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You give in already! This actually now proves to me its you and thoes who are like you who have twisted Gods word to mean what you want it to say, you need homosexuality to be a sin so it shows how almost sinless you are and rightious. People like you make me sad. You give in because you have no answers. If you diddn't know how or where the bible condemns same sex romantic love, why couldn't you just say so? I hope you will repent of your homophobia and ask Jesus into your heart and stop twisting the bible to make the word of God a book of hate and as a wepon of hate. Thats not how it was written to be. Reject your sin and ask the light of God to heal you. Unlike you, I don't hate you and would reply....we are told we can tell who is Christian by the fruit they yeild....you are not acting Christian. Ill pray for you.

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Wrong again. I gave you my answers through Scriptures which you have distorted. I am only going to repeat what I believe those Scriptures say and you are going to do the same twisting. Pointless. If we adamantly refuse to see each others view of the Scriptures why beat a dead horse, unless that's your game plan to distract your adversaries from promoting the Kingdom of God.

I too, do not hate anyone, (know no man after the flesh) but I hate a sin that goes against nature and is being forced into schools where faith-based parents are opposed to having educators teach something that is in direct opposition to their beliefs.

About bearing fruit. Perhaps you should read Lesson Eleven in my book.

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This makes NO sence whatsoever. Im able to answer all your points and questions on scripture and you are not able or willing to. To me this shows you know you are twisting and abusing the word of God to allow you to hate gay people and hate is not a Christian value. Oh Im sure you will say you don't hate gay people, but homophobia is a form of hate, no matter how we try to cover it all up in Christian love. Its still hate. You say Im wrong but you can't prove it by scripture. I can. I think this shows me who was right!

You gave me your answers from your feelings from scriptures and not what scripture really says so sadly you seem hell bent on distorting and twisting Gods holy word to prove hate can be good and holy, you still have yet to show me just one bible text to show same sex romantic love is a sin through the bible and not from how you feel. Scripture is crystal clear that hate is a sin. So I hope you will try and show me one text in the bible to show clearly same sex love is wrong, otherwise you are abusing and distorting Gods word. If I don't hear from you again I know you found nothing.....

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RE: If I don't hear from you again I know you found nothing.....

Again, nice try, but these little innuendos bring to mind the reprobate minds Paul describes in Romans 1and this in 2 Timothy 4:1 - I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

I'll give you this one last repeated response on this same question which I say you conveniently twist, and you say I twist. Like I said, why keep beating a dead horse if we interpret Scriptures differently?

Once again, I will point to these Scriptures which I have done several times already. And once again, I will tell you it is you who are twisting these Scriptures to justify a violation against God's design of nature.

The primary Scriptures are all here:
http://www.earstohear.net/Separation/Romans1.html

Again, the Scriptures:

You shall not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is an abomination. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Leviticus 18:22, 20:13

Oh, do I recall you mentioning the Old Testament essentially null and void? Unlike Jesus (Matthew 5:17-18) and Paul (Romans 15:4 and 1 Corinthians 10:1-13.

And again, you loosely misuse the word hate to put your adversaries into a neat little box while being unable to comprehend the difference between judging and reproof.

http://www.earstohear.net/Kingdom/judging.html

Something to consider for your study: Why did it please God to hide His Kingdom from the wise?

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Er, reads acts 15 and see the old laws are gone. Or do you call God a lier now as well? The old laws are gone so says Jesus and God. Jesus said the old laws were gone when he spoke in matthew 5;17-18, he sad when all is acomplished the law would stand, well unless you missed it he lied and said "it is acomplished"...is Jesus also a lier to you? The ld laws de with Jesus on the cross so you and I could live in a new covnant. So why do you want to live in the old? Thats sad.

By the way I said the old law...NOT the old testiment was null and void. If you don't read what I say, what hope has God got in his word. Still it makes it a lot easier to abuse Gods word and will then, oesnt it....Im still praying for you though to stop hurting God in this way.

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That was done a purpose to see if you make a distinction between the Old Testament and the "old law." Thanks for clarifying.

Does sin no longer exist because we are under a new covenant? How do you define sin without the law? How is holiness defined? What is your standard? Your foundation?

Again, according to Paul.

Romans 6:12-17
Obeyed "what" from the heart? What we think or what the law He has written?

Romans 7:4-6
Is not the "fruit of God" the fruit of the Holy Spirit? And the fruit of the flesh? Galatians 5:16-26

Romans 7:7-8
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner
of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Romans 7:12,22,25
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Jeremiah 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

So what law was God going to write in "their hearts?" Shiria law, Nirvana law, Hindu law, the laws of Joseph Smith, the laws of "contact name," or the Law of God? And how was He to accomplish writing these laws "in their inward parts, and
write it in their hearts?" By the fruit of "contact name" wisdom and understanding or by the Holy Ghost?

I anxious to see if you will also "abuse" these Words of God.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

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Ah but Im not the one abusing Gods word by adding to his laws now am I. You ask what is sin....I leave that to God, it aint my place to condemn people. In fact I leave it all to God. I want no part in condemning and judging others when I sin myself. Why do you feel you have a place to say what sin is then? After all without any bible text to back you up on it, you are able to say same sex romantic love is a sin. God knows our hearts and more. What is sin is not for you to choose. Its Gods! God tells us all what is right and wrong if we live in him. And we all sin at some point. The trick here is does God see your sin....or does God see you covered in the saving blood of Christ?

Response:

Please reread my last message and respond to my specific questions concerning the law based on what Paul has written and I'll toss in John (below.)

Your diatribe means nothing to me! They carry no sense whatsoever, only justification for compromising with evil. Stop the spin, and please answer my specific questions regarding the specific Scriptures I provided. Or is it as I suspected, its the law of Brian Mattocks over the law of God?

I'd like to get these specific answers from you so I can complete my new web page, "False Christs," based upon the correspondence I have had with those who hold compromised secular "Christian" doctrines.

It is no human's place to judge, but it is the call of Christ as His followers to "REPROVE THE WORLD OF SIN." Now how is that possible if sin is not defined? Did Jesus tell His followers to do something they could not define?

And yes, the Blood of Christ covers all sin. And for your edification:

Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth. Since the world began was it not heard that any man opened the eyes of one that was born blind. If this man were not of God, he could do nothing. They answered and said unto him, Thou wast altogether born in sins, and dost thou teach us? And they cast him out. Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. And
Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth. John 9:31-41

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. 1 John 3:4-10

Please hurry, I would like to post this new page before I go on vacation....

Thank you for revealing your beliefs,

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Ive sent you tons of questions you can't answer and yet I don't go on about you having a law over God, maybe I should, but then Im doing Gods work for him...and unlike the way you write, Im not equal to God so can't do his job for him. So get off your high shelf and try to answer my questions for a change.....like if same sex romantic love is a sin, where are we told this in Gods word?

John 9;31-41.....I think it will do you good to go and study these lines yourself. You add to Gods word and his law and then feel you can judge me and what God tells me. You seem to worship the book...the bible rather than God himself. Thats kinda sad really and makes you miss out on Christs love so much. Again I repeat sin is what God says to the individual. God will tell YOU whats right and wrong for YOU. Because God did not make you the same as me, he made us all different. You seem to want to limit God to what you think God should be like.....why? He does not speak to us all the same. If he did he would have made robot people. But instead he made us all different. So why are you limiting Gods love? Is that not anti-Christ like?

Rsponse:

Problem is I have answered your questions, but as I repeatedly said, you do not believe what I believe the Scriptures are saying because you don't believe the Law exists. This was the purpose of my last message including Scriptures from Jesus, Paul, and John on the Law and sin. And all you can di is falsely accuse me.

I know no man after the flesh, which allows me to love the sinner but not the sin.

For the last time:

You shall not lie with mankind as with womankind; it is an abomination. If a man also lie with mankind, as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Leviticus 18:22, 20:13

Where have I added anything to God's Law that was not backed up by Scripture? Where have I judged you?

Concerning "You seem to worship the book...the bible rather thanGod himself" before claiming I am missing out on God's love.

To understand my love of the Word of God in respect to loving God please see: http://www.earstohear.net/Kingdom/know.html

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"I never knew you." There is only One Way to KNOW the Father - by KNOWING Jesus There is only One Way to KNOW Jesus - by KNOWING the WORD. There is only One Way to KNOW the WORD - by having the Spirit reveal the WORD. There is only One Way to HAVE the Spirit - Baptism in the Holy Spirit

You say: "Again I repeat sin is what God says to the individual." By what standard, Brian? By what foundation do you "know?" Again, see my most recent previous email, which so convientienly avoided responding to the Scripture I provided in my specific answers to your "doctrines."

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. i John 3:4

So again I ask, what "law" is John referring? The law of "contact name," or the Law of God?

About limiting God, I believe you have limited yourself. 1 Corinthians 13:12 - For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

And how is it Paul says "we can have the mind of Christ?" (1 Corinthians 2:10-16)

Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. Colossians 4:6

And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God. John 3:19-21

Salt cleanses a wound and Light overcomes darkness.

Considerations

Blessed is the man that walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law does he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that brings forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind drives away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the LORD knows the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Psalms 1

Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seems to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness. 1 Corinthians 3:18-19

Thus says the LORD, your redeemer, and he that formed you from the womb, I am the LORD that makes all things; that stretches forth the heavens alone; that spreads abroad the earth by myself; That frustrates the tokens of the liars, and makes diviners mad; that turns wise men backward, and makes their knowledge foolish; Isaiah 44:24-25

A reproof enters more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool. Proverbs 17:10

The foolishness of man perverts his way: and his heart frets against the LORD. Proverbs 19:3

Speak not in the ears of a fool: for he will despise the wisdom of your words. Proverbs 23:9

Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. Proverbs 26:4-5

As a dog returns to his vomit, so a fool returns to his folly. Proverbs 26:11

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ; for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith; as it is written. The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has shown it to them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse; Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and four-footed beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves; Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections; for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature; And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers. Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents. Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful; Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Romans 1:16-32

But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14

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